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dn.25 Dīgha Nikāya (Long Discourses)

Pāṭika Chapter

The Lion’s Roar to the Udumbarikāns

On Asceticism

Thus have I heard.

The Exalted One was once staying near Rājagaha, on the Vulture’s Peak.

Now at that time there was sojourning in Queen Udumbarikā’s Park assigned to the Wanderers, the Wanderer Nigrodha, together with a great company of Wanderers, even three thousand.

Now the householder Sandhāna went forth in the afternoon from Rājagaha, to call on the Exalted One.

Then it occurred to him: “It is not timely to call just now on the Exalted One; he will be in retirement. Nor is it the hour for calling on the brethren who are practising mind-culture; they will be in retirement. What if I were to go to Udumbarikā’s Park and find out Nigrodha, the Wanderer?

And Sandhāna did so.

Now at that time Nigrodha the Wanderer was seated with his large company, all talking with loud voices, with noise and clamour, carrying on childish talk of various kinds, to wit: Tales of kings, robbers, and state officials; tales of armies, panics, and battles; talk about foods and drinks, and clothes, beds, garlands, and perfumes; talk about relatives; talk about carriages, villages, towns, cities, and countries; talk about women, talk of heroes; gossip from street-corners and the places for drawing water; ghost-stories: desultory talk; speculative talk on the world and the sea; on existence and non-existence.

And Nigrodha the Wanderer saw the householder Sandhāna approaching in the distance, and called his own company to order, saying: “Be still, sirs, and make no noise. Here is a disciple of the Samaṇa Gotama coming, the householder Sandhāna. Whatever white-robed lay disciples of Gotama there be dwelling at Rājagaha, this Sandhāna is one of them. Now these good gentlemen delight in quiet; they are trained in quiet; they speak in praise of quiet. How well it were if seeing how quiet the assembly is, he should see fit to join us.

And when he spake thus, the Wanderers kept silence.

Now the householder Sandhāna came on to where Nigrodha the Wanderer was, and exchanged with him the greetings and compliments of civility and courtesy, and sat down beside him.

So seated, Sandhāna said to Nigrodha: “Different is the way in which these reverend Wanderers, holding views of their own, talk when they have met and are come together, from the practice of the Exalted One.

They talk with loud voices, with noise and clamour, carrying on childish talk of various kinds, to wit: Tales of kings, robbers, and state officials; tales of armies, panics, and battles; talk about foods and drinks, and clothes, beds, garlands, and perfumes; talk about relatives; talk about carriages, villages, towns, cities, and countries; talk about women, talk of heroes; gossip from street-corners and the places for drawing water; ghost-stories: desultory talk; speculative talk on the world and the sea; on existence and non-existence.

But the Exalted One haunts the lonely and remote recesses of the forest, where noise, where sound there hardly is, where the breezes from the pastures blow, yet which are hidden from the eyes of men, suitable for self-communing.”

And when Sandhāna had spoken, Nigrodha to him made answer: “Look you now, householder, know you with whom the Samaṇa Gotama talks? With whom he holds conversation? By intercourse with whom does he attain to lucidity in wisdom? The Samaṇa Gotama’s insight is ruined by his habit of seclusion. He is not at home in conducting an assembly. He is not ready in conversation. He is occupied only with the fringes of things. Even as a one-eyed cow that, walking in a circle follows only the outskirts, so is the Samaṇa Gotama. Why forsooth, householder, if the Samaṇa Gotama were to come to this assembly, with a single question only could we settle him; yes, methinks we could roll him over like an empty pot.

Now the Exalted One heard with his clairaudient sense of hearing, pure, and surpassing that of man, this conversation between Sandhāna the householder and Nigrodha the Wanderer.

And descending from the Vulture’s Peak, he came to the Peacocks’ Feeding-ground on the bank of the Sumāgadha and there walked to and fro in the open air.

Then Nigrodha saw him thus walking, and on seeing him he called his company to order, saying: “Be still, sirs, and make no noise. The Samaṇa Gotama is walking to and fro in the open air at the Peacocks’ Feeding-ground, by the bank of the Sumāgadha. Now this good gentleman delights in quiet, speaks in praise of quiet; how well it were if, seeing how quiet the assembly is, he should see fit to join us. If the Samaṇa Gotama should come to this assembly, we might ask him this question: What, lord, is this religion of the Exalted one wherein he trains his disciples, and which those disciples, so trained by the Exalted One as to win comfort, acknowledge to be their utmost support and the fundamental principle of righteousness?”

When he had said this the Wanderers kept silence.

Then the Exalted One went up to Nigrodha the Wanderer, and Nigrodha spake thus to him: “Let the lord the Exalted One approach. Welcome is the lord the Exalted One! Long has the lord the Exalted One taken ere deciding on this step of coming hither. May it please the lord the Exalted One to take a seat. Here is one ready.”

The Exalted One sat down on the seat made ready, and Nigrodha, taking a low seat, sat beside him.

To him so seated the Exalted One spake thus: “On what talk, Nigrodha, are ye here and now engaged as ye sit together, and what conversation between you have I interrupted?”

Thereupon Nigrodha replied to the Exalted One and said: “Lord, we have just seen the Exalted One walking in the open air at the Peacocks’ Feeding-ground, by the Sumāgadha, and seeing him thus, we said: ‘If the Samaṇa Gotama should come to this assembly, we could ask him this question: What, lord, is this religion of the Exalted one wherein he trains his disciples, and which those disciples, so trained by the Exalted One as to win comfort, acknowledge to be their utmost support and the fundamental principle of righteousness?”

“Difficult is it, Nigrodha, for one of another view, of another persuasion, of another confession, without practice and without teaching, to understand that wherein I train my disciples, and which they, so trained as to win comfort, acknowledge to be their utmost support and the fundamental principle of righteousness.

Come now, Nigrodha, ask me a question about your own doctrine, about austere scrupulousness of life: in what does the fulfilment, in what does the non-fulfilment of these self-mortifications consist?

When he had said this, the Wanderers exclaimed loudly, with noise and clamour: “Wonderful, sir!

Marvellous is it, sir, the great gifts and powers of the Samaṇa Gotama in withholding his own theories and inviting the discussion of those of others!”

Then Nigrodha bade the Wanderers be quiet, and spake thus to the Exalted One: “We, lord, profess self-mortifying austerities; we hold them to be essential; we cleave to them. In what does the fulfilment, in what does the non-fulfilment of them consist?”

“Suppose, Nigrodha, that an ascetic goes naked, is of certain loose habits, licks his hands, respects no ‘Approach, sir’, nor ‘Stop, sir’; accepts nothing expressly brought, nor expressly prepared, nor any invitations.

He accepts nothing taken from mouth of cooking-pot, nor placed within the threshold, nor within a mortar, nor among sticks, nor within a quern; nor anything from two eating together, nor from a pregnant woman, nor from a nursing mother, nor from a woman in intercourse with a man, nor food collected in drought, nor from where a dog is, nor from where flies are swarming, nor will he accept fish or meat, nor drink strong drink, or intoxicants, or gruel.

He is either a one-houser, a one-mouthful man; or a two-houser, a two-mouthful man; or a three-houser, a three-mouthful man; or a four-houser, a four-mouthful man; or a five-houser, a five-mouthful man; or a six-houser, a six-mouthful man; or a seven-houser, a seven-mouthful man.

He maintains himself on one alms, or he maintains himself on two alms, or he maintains himself on three alms, or he maintains himself on four alms, or he maintains himself on five alms, or he maintains himself on six alms, or he maintains himself on seven alms.

He takes food once a day, or he takes food once every two days, or he takes food once every three days, or he takes food once every four days, or he takes food once every five days, or he takes food once every six days, or he takes food once every seven days.

Thus does he dwell addicted to the practice of taking food according to rule, at regular intervals, up to even half a month.

He feeds either on potherbs, or wild rice, or nivara seeds, or leather parings, or on hata, or on the powder in rice rusks, on rice-scum, on flour of oil-seeds, on grasses, on cowdung, on fruits and roots from the woods, or on windfalls.

He wears coarse hempen cloth, coarse mixture cloth, discarded corpse-cloths, discarded rags, or tirita-bark cloth; or again, he wears antelope-hide, or strips of the same netted, or kusa-fibre, or bark garments, or shale cloth, or a human-hair blanket, or a horse-hair blanket, or an owl’s-feather garment.

He is a hair-and-beard plucker, addicted to the practice of plucking out both; a stander-up; a croucher on heels, addicted to exerting himself (to move forward) when thus squatting; a bed-of-thorns man, putting iron spikes or thorns on his couch; he uses a plank-bed; sleeps on the ground; sleeps only on one side; is a dust-and-dirt wearer and an open-air man; a where-you-will sitter; a filth-eater, addicted to the practice of eating such; a non-drinker, addicted to the practice of never drinking (cold water); an evening-for-third-time-man addicted to the practice of going down into water thrice a day.

What think you, Nigrodha?

If these things be so, is the austerity of self-mortification carried out, or is it not?”

“Truly, lord, if these things be so, the austerity of self-mortification is carried out, and not the contrary.”

“Now I, Nigrodha, affirm that austerity by self-mortification, thus carried out, involves blemish in several ways.”

“In what way, lord, do you affirm that blemish is involved?”

“In case, Nigrodha, when an ascetic undertakes a course of austerity, he, through that course, becomes self-complacent, his aim is satisfied. Now this, Nigrodha, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And then again, Nigrodha, when an ascetic undertakes a course of austerity, he, through that undertaking, exalts himself and despises others. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, when an ascetic undertakes a course of austerity, he, through that undertaking, becomes inebriated and infatuated, and grows careless. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, when an ascetic undertakes a course of austerity, it procures for him gifts, attention, and fame. Thereby he becomes complacent and his aim is satisfied. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, by the winning of gifts, attentions, and fame, the ascetic exalts himself and despises others. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, by the winning of gifts, attentions, and fame, he becomes inebriated and infatuated, and grows careless. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, when an ascetic undertakes a course of austerity, he comes to make a distinction in foods, saying: ‘This suits me; this doesn’t suit me.’ The latter kind he deliberately rejects. Over the former he waxes greedy and infatuated, and cleaves to them, seeing not the danger in them, discerning them not as unsafe, and so enjoys them. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, because of his longing for gifts, attentions and fame, he thinks: ‘Rājas will pay me attentions, and so will their officials; so, too, will nobles, brahmins, householders and founders of schools.’ This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, an ascetic gets grumbling at some recluse or brahmin, saying: ‘That man lives on all sorts of things: things grown from tubers, or shoots, or berries, or joints, or fifthly, from seeds, munching them all up together with that wheel-less thunderbolt of a jawbone—and they call him a holy man!’ This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, an ascetic sees a certain recluse or brahmin receiving attentions; being revered, honoured and presented with offerings by the citizens. And seeing this he thinks: ‘The citizens pay attentions to this fellow who lives in luxury; they revere and honour him, and present him with offerings, while to me who, as ascetic, live a really austere life, they pay no attentions, nor reverence, nor honour, nor offerings!’ And so he cherishes envy and grudging at the citizens. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, an ascetic becomes one who sits in public. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic, when on his round for alms among the people, slinks along furtively as if to say: ‘This is part of my austerity; this is part of my austerity.’ This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic affects the mysterious. When asked: ‘Do you approve of this?’ he, not approving, says: ‘I do,’ or approving, says: ‘I do not.’ Thus he consciously tells untruths. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, when the Tathāgata, or a disciple of the Tathāgata, teaching the Norm, uses a method worthy of appreciation, the ascetic does not appreciate it. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to lose his temper and bear enmity. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to be hypocritical. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to be deceitful. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to be envious and grudging. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to be cunning and crafty. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to be hard-hearted and vain. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to entertain evil wishes and becomes captive to them. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to entertain false opinions. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to be become possessed of metempirical dogma. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to misinterpret his experience. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is liable to be avaricious and adverse from renunciation. This, too, becomes a blemish in the ascetic.

What think you of this, Nigrodha? Are these things blemishes in the austerities of self-mortification, or are they not?”

“Verily, lord, these things are blemishes in the austerities of self-mortification. It is possible, lord, that an ascetic may be possessed even of all these blemishes, much more by one or other of them.”

“Now take the opposite case, Nigrodha: an ascetic undertakes a course of austerity. Through that course he does not become self-complacent, nor are his aims fulfilled. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And then again, Nigrodha, when an ascetic undertakes a course of austerity, he, through that undertaking, does not exalt himself and despises others. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, when an ascetic undertakes a course of austerity, he, through that undertaking, does not become inebriated and infatuated, and grow careless. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, when an ascetic undertakes a course of austerity, it procures for him gifts, attention, and fame. He thereby does not becomes complacent and his aim is not satisfied. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, by the winning of gifts, attentions, and fame, the ascetic does not exalt himself and despise others. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, by the winning of gifts, attentions, and fame, he does not become inebriated and infatuated, and grow careless. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, when an ascetic undertakes a course of austerity, he does not come to make a distinction in foods, saying: ‘This suits me; this doesn’t suit me.’ He does not deliberately reject the latter. Over the former he does not wax greedy and infatuated, and cleave to them, seeing not the danger in them, discerning them not as unsafe, and so enjoying them. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, he does not think, out of his longing for gifts, attentions and fame: ‘Rājas will pay me attentions, and so will their officials; so, too, will nobles, brahmins, householders and founders of schools.’ This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, an ascetic does not grumble at some recluse or brahmin, saying: ‘That man lives on all sorts of things: things grown from tubers, or shoots, or berries, or joints, or fifthly, from seeds, munching them all up together with that wheel-less thunderbolt of a jawbone—and they call him a holy man!’ This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, an ascetic sees a certain recluse or brahmin receiving attentions; being revered, honoured and presented with offerings by the citizens. And seeing this he does not think: ‘The citizens pay attentions to this fellow who lives in luxury; they revere and honour him, and present him with offerings, while to me who, as ascetic, live a really austere life, they pay no attentions, nor reverence, nor honour, nor offerings!’ And thus he does not cherish envy and grudging at the citizens. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, an ascetic does not become one who sits in public. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic, when on his round for alms among the people, does not slink along furtively as if to say: ‘This is part of my austerity; this is part of my austerity.’ This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic does not affect the mysterious. When asked: ‘Do you approve of this?’ he, not approving, says: ‘I do not,’ or approving, says: ‘I do.’ Herein he avoids telling deliberate untruths. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, when the Tathāgata, or a disciple of the Tathāgata, teaching the Norm, uses a method worthy of appreciation, the ascetic appreciates it. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not liable to lose his temper and bear enmity. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not liable to be hypocritical. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not liable to be deceitful. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not liable to be envious and grudging. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not liable to be cunning and crafty. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not liable to be hard-hearted and vain. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not liable to entertain evil wishes or become captive to them. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not liable to entertain false opinions. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not liable to be become possessed of metempirical dogma. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not liable to pervert experience. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

And again, Nigrodha, the ascetic is not avaricious and adverse from renunciation. This being so, he is to that degree purified.

What think you, Nigrodha? That being so, does the austerity by these things become genuinely pure, or not?”

“Verily, lord, the austerity of these things becomes genuinely pure, and not impure; it wins topmost rank, it reaches the pith.”

“Nay, Nigrodha, not yet does the austerity become of topmost rank, nor reach the pith; for that matter it has but reached the outside splinters.”


“In what way, lord, does an austerity win top-most rank, and reach the pith?

Good were it if the Exalted One caused my austerity to win topmost rank and reach the pith!”

“Take the case, Nigrodha, of an ascetic self-restrained by the Restraint of the Fourfold Watch.

What is the Restraint of the Fourfold Watch?

It is when an ascetic inflicts injury on no living thing, nor causes injury to be inflicted on any living thing, nor approves thereof.

He takes not what is not given, nor approves thereof.

He utters no lies, nor causes lies to be uttered, nor approves thereof.

He craves not for the pleasures of sense, nor leads others to crave for them, nor approves thereof.

Now it is thus, Nigrodha, that the ascetic becomes self-restrained by the Restraint of the Fourfold-Watch.

Now in that he is thus self-restrained, and his austerity is made to consist in this, he advances upwards and turns not back to lower things.

He chooses some lonely spot for his seat—in the forest, at the foot of a tree, on the hillside, in mountain glen, or rocky cave, in the charnel place, or on a heap of straw in the open fields. And returning thither after his round for alms, he seats himself when his meal is done, cross-legged, keeping his body erect, and his intelligence alert, intent.

Putting away the hankering after the World, he abides with unhankering heart, and purifies his mind of covetousness.

Putting away the canker of ill-will, he abides with heart free from enmity, benevolent and compassionate towards every living thing, and purifies his mind of malevolence.

Putting away sloth and torpor, he abides clear of both; conscious of light, mindful and self-possessed, he purifies his mind of sloth and torpor.

Putting away flurry and worry, he abides free from excitement; with heart serene within, he purifies his mind of flurry and worry.

Putting away doubt, he abides as one who has passed beyond perplexity; no longer in suspense as to what is good, he purifies his mind of doubt.

He, having put away these Five Hindrances, and to weaken by insight the strength of the things that defile the heart, abides letting his mind, fraught with love, pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with love-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

And he lets his mind, fraught with pity pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with pity-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

And he lets his mind, fraught with sympathy with joy pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with sympathy with joy-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

And he lets his mind, fraught with equanimity, pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with equanimity-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

What think you of this, Nigrodha? Does austerity by these things become genuinely pure or not?”

“Verily, lord, austerity by these things becomes genuinely pure and not impure, wins topmost rank and reaches the pith.”

“Nay, Nigrodha, not yet does the austerity win top-most rank, or reality; for that matter it does but reach into the bark.”


“In what way, lord, does an austerity win top rank and reach the pith? How good it were if the Exalted One could make my austerities win top rank and reach the pith!”

“Take the case, Nigrodha, of an ascetic who is self-restrained by the Restraint of the Fourfold Watch.

What is the Restraint of the Fourfold Watch?

It is when an ascetic inflicts injury on no living thing, nor causes injury to be inflicted on any living thing, nor approves thereof.

He takes not what is not given, nor approves thereof.

He utters no lies, nor causes lies to be uttered, nor approves thereof.

He craves not for the pleasures of sense, nor leads others to crave for them, nor approves thereof.

Now it is thus, Nigrodha, that the ascetic becomes self-restrained by the Restraint of the Fourfold-Watch.

In that he is thus self-restrained, and his austerity is made to consist in this, he advances upward and turns not back to lower things.

He chooses some lonely spot for his seat—in the forest, at the foot of a tree, on the hillside, in mountain glen, or rocky cave, in the charnel place, or on a heap of straw in the open fields.

And returning thither after his round for alms, he seats himself when his meal is done, cross-legged, keeping his body erect, and his intelligence alert, intent.

Putting away the hankering after the World, he abides with unhankering heart, and purifies his mind of covetousness.

Putting away the canker of ill-will, he abides with heart free from enmity, benevolent and compassionate towards every living thing, and purifies his mind of malevolence.

Putting away sloth and torpor, he abides clear of both; conscious of light, mindful and self-possessed, he purifies his mind of sloth and torpor.

Putting away flurry and worry, he abides free from excitement; with heart serene within, he purifies his mind of flurry and worry.

Putting away doubt, he abides as one who has passed beyond perplexity; no longer in suspense as to what is good, he purifies his mind of doubt.

Having put away those Five Hindrances, and to weaken by insight the strength of the things that defile the heart, abides letting his mind, fraught with love, pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with love-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

And he lets his mind, fraught with pity pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with pity-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

And he lets his mind, fraught with sympathy with joy pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with sympathy with joy-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

And he lets his mind, fraught with equanimity, pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with equanimity-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

He recalls to mind his various temporary states in days gone by—one birth, or two or three or four or five births, or ten or twenty or thirty or forty or fifty or a hundred or a thousand or a hundred thousand births, through many an aeon of dissolution, many an aeon of evolution, many an aeon of both dissolution and evolution. “In such a place such was my name, such my family, such my caste, such my food, such my experience of discomfort or of ease, and such the limits of my life. When I passed away from that state, I took form again in such a place. There I had such and such a name and family and caste and food and experience of discomfort or of ease, such was the limit of my life. When I passed away from that state I took form again here.”—thus does he call to mind his temporary states in days gone by in all their details, and in all their modes.

What think you of that, Nigrodha? Does the austerity by these things become genuinely pure or not?”

“Verily, lord, the austerity by these things becomes genuinely pure and not impure, wins topmost rank and reaches the pith.”

Nay, Nigrodha, not yet does the austerity win to topmost rank and reach the pith, although it does reach the underlying fibre.”


“But in what Way, lord, does an austerity reach to the top and to the pith? How well it were if the Exalted One could make my austerities attain to the top and to the pith!”

“Take the case, Nigrodha, of an ascetic who is self-restrained by the Restraint of the Fourfold Watch.

What is the Restraint of the Fourfold Watch?

It is when an ascetic inflicts injury on no living thing, nor causes injury to be inflicted on any living thing, nor approves thereof.

He takes not what is not given, nor approves thereof.

He utters no lies, nor causes lies to be uttered, nor approves thereof.

He craves not for the pleasures of sense, nor leads others to crave for them, nor approves thereof.

Now it is thus, Nigrodha, that the ascetic becomes self-restrained by the Restraint of the Fourfold-Watch.

In that he is thus self-restrained, and his austerity is made to consist in this, he advances upward and turns not back to lower things.

He chooses some lonely spot for his seat—in the forest, at the foot of a tree, on the hillside, in mountain glen, or rocky cave, in the charnel place, or on a heap of straw in the open fields. And returning thither after his round for alms, he seats himself when his meal is done, cross-legged, keeping his body erect, and his intelligence alert, intent.

Putting away the hankering after the World, he abides with unhankering heart, and purifies his mind of covetousness.

Putting away the canker of ill-will, he abides with heart free from enmity, benevolent and compassionate towards every living thing, and purifies his mind of malevolence.

Putting away sloth and torpor, he abides clear of both; conscious of light, mindful and self-possessed, he purifies his mind of sloth and torpor.

Putting away flurry and worry, he abides free from excitement; with heart serene within, he purifies his mind of flurry and worry.

Putting away doubt, he abides as one who has passed beyond perplexity; no longer in suspense as to what is good, he purifies his mind of doubt.

Having put away those Five Hindrances, and to weaken by insight the strength of the things that defile the heart, abides letting his mind, fraught with love, pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with love-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

And he lets his mind, fraught with pity pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with pity-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

And he lets his mind, fraught with sympathy with joy pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with sympathy with joy-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

And he lets his mind, fraught with equanimity, pervade one quarter of the world, and so too, the second quarter, and so the third, and so the fourth.

And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around and everywhere, and altogether does he continue to pervade with equanimity-burdened thought, abounding, sublime, and beyond measure, free from hatred and ill-will.

He recalls to mind his various temporary states in days gone by—one birth, or two or three or four or five births, or ten or twenty or thirty or forty or fifty or a hundred or a thousand or a hundred thousand births, through many an aeon of dissolution, many an aeon of evolution, many an aeon of both dissolution and evolution. “In such a place such was my name, such my family, such my caste, such my food, such my experience of discomfort or of ease, and such the limits of my life. When I passed away from that state, I took form again in such a place. There I had such and such a name and family and caste and food and experience of discomfort or of ease, such was the limit of my life. When I passed away from that state I took form again here.”—thus does he call to mind his temporary states in days gone by in all their details, and in all their modes.

He with the pure deva-vision, surpassing that of men, he sees beings as they pass away from one form of existence and take shape in another; he recognises the mean and the noble, the well favoured and the ill favoured, the happy and the wretched, passing away according to their deeds: “Such and such worthy folk, evil-doers in act and word and thought, revilers of the Ariyans, holding to wrong views, acquiring for themselves that Karma which results from wrong views, they, on the dissolution of the body, after death, are reborn in some unhappy state of suffering or woe.

But such and such beings, good in act and word and thought, no revilers of the Ariyans, holding to right views, acquiring for themselves that Karma that results from right views, they, on the dissolution of the body, after death, are reborn in some happy state in heaven.”

Thus with the pure deva-vision, surpassing that of men, he sees beings as they pass away from one state of existence, and take form in another; he recognises the mean and the noble, the well favoured and the ill favoured, the happy and the wretched, passing away according to their deeds.

What think you of that, Nigrodha? Does austerity by these things become genuinely pure or not?”

“Verily, lord, austerity by these things becomes genuinely pure, and not impure; it wins topmost rank and reaches the pith.”

“Thus, Nigrodha, does austerity win topmost rank and reach the pith. And so, Nigrodha, when you say to me: ‘What, lord, is this religion of the Exalted One, wherein he trains his disciples, and which those disciples, so trained by the Exalted One as to win comfort, acknowledge to be their utmost support and the fundamental principle of righteousness?

I say that it is matter of a higher and more excellent degree wherein I train my disciples, so that they, so trained by me therein as to find comfort, acknowledge it to be their utmost support and the fundamental principle of righteous living.

When he had thus said, the Wanderers raised a clamour, exclaiming loudly and noisily: “Herein are we and our teachers set at naught. We know of nothing beyond their teaching that is higher.”


When the householder Sandhāna realized: ‘Surely now these Wanderers, though of other views, are listening to what the Exalted One has said, are paying attention, are applying their minds to understand’, he then spake thus to Nigrodha:

“You were saying to me just now, Nigrodha: ‘Look you now, householder, know you with whom the Samaṇa Gotama talks; with whom he holds conversation; by intercourse with whom does he attain to lucidity in wisdom? The Samaṇa Gotama’s insight is ruined by his habit of seclusion. He is not at home in conducting an assembly. He is not ready in conversation. He is occupied only with the fringes of things. Even as a one-eyed cow that, walking in a circle, follows ever the outskirts, so is the Samaṇa Gotama. Why forsooth, householder, if the Samaṇa Gotama were to come to this assembly, with a single question only could we settle him; yes, methinks we could roll him over like an empty pot.’

Now then the lord the Exalted One, the Arahant Buddha Supreme, has arrived among us; show ye him as not at home in an assembly; show him to be as a one-eyed cow walking in a circle; with your single question settle him now, roll him over me thinks like an empty pot.”

When he had thus said, Nigrodha sat silent and annoyed, with hunched back and drooping head, brooding and dumbfounded.

Now When the Exalted One perceived Nigrodha silent and annoyed, with hunched back and drooping head, brooding and dumbfounded, he said: “Is it true, Nigrodha, that you made this speech?”

“It is true, lord, that I made that speech, so foolish was I, so stupid, so wrong.”

“What think you of this, Nigrodha? Have you ever heard it said by Wanderers who were venerable, aged, your teachers and teachers of your teachers, thus: ‘They who in past ages were Arahants, Buddhas Supreme, forsooth, those Exalted Ones, when they were met and assembled, used to talk with loud voices, with noise and clamour, carrying on childish talk of various kinds, to wit, tales of kings, robbers, and state officials; tales of armies, panics, and battles; talk about foods and drinks, and clothes, beds, garlands, and perfumes; talk about relatives; talk about carriages, villages, towns, cities, and countries; talk about women, talk of heroes; gossip from street-corners and the places for drawing water; ghost-stories: desultory talk; speculative talk on the world and the sea; on existence and non-existence’ as you and your teachers do now?

Or did they say: ‘Thus were those Exalted Ones wont to haunt the lonely and remote recesses of the forest, where noise, where sound there hardly is, where breezes from the pastures blow, yet which were hidden from the eyes of men, meet for self-communing, even as I do now?”

“Lord, I have heard it said by Wanderers who were venerable, aged, our teachers, and teachers of our teachers, thus: ‘They who in past ages were Arahants, Buddhas Supreme, not theirs was it, when met and assembled, to talk with loud voices, with noise and clamour, carrying on childish talk of various kinds, to wit, tales of kings, robbers, and state officials; tales of armies, panics, and battles; talk about foods and drinks, and clothes, beds, garlands, and perfumes; talk about relatives; talk about carriages, villages, towns, cities, and countries; talk about women, talk of heroes; gossip from street-corners and the places for drawing water; ghost-stories: desultory talk; speculative talk on the world and the sea; on existence and non-existence,’ even as I do now in my own persuasion, but theirs was it to haunt the lonely and remote recesses of the forest, where noise, where sound there hardly is, where breezes from the pastures blow, yet which were hidden from the eyes of men, meet for self-communing’, even as the Exalted One does now.”

“You yourself, Nigrodha, being intelligent and advanced in years, has not this occurred to you? Enlightened is the Exalted One; he teaches the religion of Enlightenment. Self-mastered is the Exalted One; he teaches the religion of Self-mastery. Calm is the Enlightened One; he teaches the religion of Calm. Saved is the Enlightened One; he teaches the religion of Salvation. At peace is the Enlightened One; he teaches the religion of Peace.”

When this was said, Nigrodha the Wanderer spake thus to the Exalted One:

“An offence has overcome me, lord, foolish and stupid and wrong that I am, who spoke thus about the Exalted One. May the Exalted One accept it of me, lord, that do so acknowledge it as an offence, to the end that in future I may restrain myself.”

“Verily, Nigrodha, it was an offence that overcame you in acting thus, foolish and stupid and wrong that you were, in that you speak thus of me. And inasmuch as you, Nigrodha, looking upon it as an offence, confess according to your deeds, we accept your confession. For that, Nigrodha, is custom in the discipline of the Ariyans, that whosoever looks upon his fault as a fault, and rightfully confesses it, shall in the future attain to self-restraint.

But I, Nigrodha, say this to you: Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know himself and to realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which, clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him seven years.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the seven years. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him six years.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the six years. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him five years.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the five years. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him four years.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the four years. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him three years.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the three years. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him two years.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the two years. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him one year.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the one year. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him six months.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the six months. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him five months.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the five months. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him four months.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the four months. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him three months.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the three months. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him two months.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the two months. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him one month.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be the one month. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him half a month.

Nay, Nigrodha, let be half a month. Let a man of intelligence come to me, who is honest, candid, straightforward—I will instruct him, I will teach him the Norm. If he practise according as he is taught, then to know for himself and realize even here and now that supreme religion and goal, for the sake of which clansmen go forth from the household life into the homeless state, will take him seven days.

Maybe, Nigrodha, you will think: ‘The Samaṇa Gotama has said this from a desire to get pupils’; but you are not thus to explain my words. Let him who is your teacher be your teacher still.

Maybe, Nigrodha, you will think: ‘The Samaṇa Gotama has said this from a desire to make us secede from our rule’; but you are not thus to explain my words. Let that which is your rule be your rule still.

Maybe, Nigrodha, you will think: ‘The Samaṇa Gotama has said this from a desire to make us secede from our mode of livelihood’; but you are not thus to explain my words. Let that which is your mode of livelihood be so still.

Maybe, Nigrodha, you will think: ‘The Samaṇa Gotama has said this from a desire to confirm us as to such points of our doctrines as are wrong, and reckoned as wrong—by those in our community’; but you are not thus to explain my words. Let those points in your doctrines which are wrong and reckoned as wrong by those in your community, remain so still for you.

Maybe, Nigrodha, you will think: ‘The Samaṇa Gotama has said this from a desire to detach us from such points in our doctrines as are good, reckoned as good by those in our community’; but you are not thus to explain my words. Let those points in your doctrines which are good, reckoned to be good by those in your community, remain so still.

Wherefore, Nigrodha, I speak thus, neither because I wish to gain pupils, nor because I wish to cause seceding from rule, nor because I wish to cause seceding from mode of livelihood, nor because I wish to confirm you in bad doctrines, or detach you from good doctrines.

But, O Nigrodha, there are bad things not put away, corrupting, entailing birth renewal, bringing suffering, resulting in ill, making for birth, decay and death in the future, and it is for the putting away of these that I teach the norm, according to which if ye do walk, the things that corrupt shall be put away, the things that make for purity shall grow and flourish, and ye shall attain to and abide in, each one for himself even here and now, the understanding and the realization of full and abounding insight.”

When he had thus said, the Wanderers sat silent and annoyed, with hunched back and drooping head, brooding and dumbfounded, so were their hearts given over to Māra.

Then the Exalted One thought: “Every one of these foolish men is pervaded by the Evil One, so that to not even one of them will the thought occur: ‘Come, let us now live the holy life taught by the Samaṇa Gotama, that we may learn to know it. What does an interval of seven days matter?’”

Then the Exalted One having uttered his Lion’s Roar in the park Queen Udumbarikā had assigned to the Wanderers, rose up and went through the air, and alighted on the Vulture’s Peak.

And then, too, the householder Sumāgadha returned to Rājagaha.

The Udumbarikā Sīhanāda-Suttanta is ended.

- Translator: T.W. & C.A.F. Rhys Davids

- Editor: Bhikkhu Sujato


The Lion’s Roar at Udumbarikā’s Monastery



1. The Story of the Wanderer Nigrodha
So I have heard.
At one time the Buddha was staying near Rājagaha, on the Vulture’s Peak Mountain.
Now at that time the wanderer Nigrodha was residing in the lady Udumbarikā’s monastery for wanderers, together with a large assembly of three thousand wanderers.
Then the householder Sandhāna left Rājagaha in the middle of the day to see the Buddha.
Then it occurred to him,
“It’s the wrong time to see the Buddha,
as he’s in retreat.
And it’s the wrong time to see the esteemed mendicants,
as they’re in retreat.
Why don’t I visit the wanderer Nigrodha at the lady Udumbarikā’s monastery for wanderers?”
So he went to the monastery of the wanderers.
Now at that time, Nigrodha was sitting together with a large assembly of wanderers making an uproar, a dreadful racket. They engaged in all kinds of unworthy talk, such as
talk about kings, bandits, and ministers; talk about armies, threats, and wars; talk about food, drink, clothes, and beds; talk about garlands and fragrances; talk about family, vehicles, villages, towns, cities, and countries; talk about women and heroes; street talk and well talk; talk about the departed; motley talk; tales of land and sea; and talk about being reborn in this or that state of existence.
Nigrodha saw Sandhāna coming off in the distance,
and hushed his own assembly:
“Be quiet, good sirs, don’t make a sound.
The householder Sandhāna, a disciple of the ascetic Gotama, is coming.
He is included among the white-clothed lay disciples of the ascetic Gotama, who is residing near Rājagaha.
Such venerables like the quiet, are educated to be quiet, and praise the quiet.
Hopefully if he sees that our assembly is quiet he’ll see fit to approach.”
Then those wanderers fell silent.
Then Sandhāna went up to the wanderer Nigrodha, and exchanged greetings with him.
When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to Nigrodha,
“The way the wanderers make an uproar as they sit together and talk about all kinds of unworthy topics is one thing.

It’s quite different to the way the Buddha frequents remote lodgings in the wilderness and the forest that are quiet and still, far from the madding crowd, remote from human settlements, and fit for retreat.”
When Sandhāna said this, Nigrodha said to him,
“Surely, householder, you should know better! With whom does the ascetic Gotama converse? With whom does he engage in discussion? With whom does he achieve lucidity of wisdom?
Staying in empty huts has destroyed the ascetic Gotama’s wisdom. Not frequenting assemblies, he is unable to hold a discussion.
He just lurks on the periphery.
He’s just like the nilgai antelope, circling around and lurking on the periphery.




Please, householder, let the ascetic Gotama come to this assembly. I’ll sink him with just one question! I’ll roll him over and wrap him up like a hollow pot!”
With clairaudience that is purified and superhuman, the Buddha heard this discussion between the householder Sandhāna and the wanderer Nigrodha.
Then the Buddha descended Vulture’s Peak Mountain and went to the peacocks’ feeding ground on the bank of the Sumāgadhā, where he walked mindfully in the open air.
Nigrodha saw him,
and hushed his own assembly:
“Be quiet, good sirs, don’t make a sound. The ascetic Gotama is walking mindfully on the bank of the Sumāgadhā.
The venerable likes quiet and praises quiet.
Hopefully if he sees that our assembly is quiet he’ll see fit to approach.
If he comes, I’ll ask him this question:
‘Sir, what teaching do you use to guide your disciples, through which they claim solace in the fundamental purpose of the spiritual life?’”
Then those wanderers fell silent.
2. Mortification in Disgust of Sin
Then the Buddha went up to the wanderer Nigrodha,
who said to him,
“Come, Blessed One! Welcome, Blessed One!
It’s been a long time since you took the opportunity to come here.
Please, sir, sit down, this seat is ready.”
The Buddha sat on the seat spread out,
while Nigrodha took a low seat and sat to one side.
The Buddha said to him,
“Nigrodha, what were you sitting talking about just now? What conversation was left unfinished?”
Nigrodha said,
“Well, sir, I saw you walking mindfully and said:
‘If the ascetic Gotama comes, I’ll ask him this question:
“Sir, what teaching do you use to guide your disciples, through which they claim solace in the fundamental purpose of the spiritual life?”’
This is the conversation that was unfinished when the Buddha arrived.”
“It’s hard for you to understand this, Nigrodha, since you have a different view, creed, preference, practice, and tradition.
Please ask me a question about the higher mortification in disgust of sin in your own tradition:
‘How are the conditions for the mortification in disgust of sin completed, and how are they incomplete?’”
When he said this, those wanderers made an uproar,
“It’s incredible, it’s amazing! The ascetic Gotama has such power and might! For he sets aside his own doctrine and invites discussion on the doctrine of others!”
Then Nigrodha, having quieted those wanderers, said to the Buddha,
“Sir, we teach mortification in disgust of sin, regarding it as essential and clinging to it.
How are the conditions for the mortification in disgust of sin completed, and how are they incomplete?”
“It’s when a mortifier goes naked, ignoring conventions. They lick their hands, and don’t come or wait when called. They don’t consent to food brought to them, or food prepared on purpose for them, or an invitation for a meal.
They don’t receive anything from a pot or bowl; or from someone who keeps sheep, or who has a weapon or a shovel in their home; or where a couple is eating; or where there is a woman who is pregnant, breast-feeding, or who has a man in her home; or where there’s a dog waiting or flies buzzing. They accept no fish or meat or liquor or wine, and drink no beer.
They go to just one house for alms, taking just one mouthful, or two houses and two mouthfuls, up to seven houses and seven mouthfuls. They feed on one saucer a day, two saucers a day, up to seven saucers a day.
They eat once a day, once every second day, up to once a week, and so on, even up to once a fortnight. They live committed to the practice of eating food at set intervals.
They eat herbs, millet, wild rice, poor rice, water lettuce, rice bran, scum from boiling rice, sesame flour, grass, or cow dung. They survive on forest roots and fruits, or eating fallen fruit.
They wear robes of sunn hemp, mixed hemp, corpse-wrapping cloth, rags, lodh tree bark, antelope hide (whole or in strips), kusa grass, bark, wood-chips, human hair, horse-tail hair, or owls’ wings.
They tear out their hair and beard, committed to this practice.
They constantly stand, refusing seats.
They squat, committed to persisting in the squatting position.
They lie on a mat of thorns, making a mat of thorns their bed.
They make their bed on a plank, or the bare ground.
They lie only on one side.
They wear dust and dirt.
They stay in the open air.
They sleep wherever they lay their mat.
They eat unnatural things, committed to the practice of eating unnatural foods.
They don’t drink, committed to the practice of not drinking liquids.
They’re committed to the practice of immersion in water three times a day, including the evening.
What do you think, Nigrodha?
If this is so, is the mortification in disgust of sin complete, or incomplete?”
“Clearly, sir, if that is so the mortification in disgust of sin is complete, not incomplete.”
“But even such a completed mortification has many defects, I say.”
2.1. Defects
“But how does the Buddha say that even such a completed mortification has many defects?”
“Firstly, a mortifier undertakes a practice of mortification. They’re happy with that, as they’ve got all they wished for.

This is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier undertakes a practice of mortification. They glorify themselves and put others down on account of that.

This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier undertakes a practice of mortification. They become indulgent and infatuated and fall into negligence on account of that.

This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier undertakes a practice of mortification. They generate possessions, honor, and popularity through that mortification. They’re happy with that, as they’ve got all they wished for.

This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier undertakes a practice of mortification. They generate possessions, honor, and popularity through that mortification. They glorify themselves and put others down on account of that.

This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier undertakes a practice of mortification. They generate possessions, honor, and popularity through that mortification. They become indulgent and infatuated and fall into negligence on account of that.

This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier becomes fussy about food, saying,
‘This agrees with me, this doesn’t agree with me.’
What doesn’t agree with them they reluctantly give up.
But what does agree with them they eat tied, infatuated, attached, blind to the drawbacks, and not understanding the escape.
This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier undertakes a practice of mortification out of longing for possessions, honor, and popularity, thinking,
‘Kings, royal ministers, aristocrats, brahmins, householders, and sectarians will honor me!’
This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier rebukes a certain ascetic or brahmin,
‘But what is this one doing, living in abundance! According to this ascetic’s doctrine, everything—
plants propagated from roots, stems, cuttings, or joints; and those from regular seeds as the fifth—is crunched together like the thunder of a tooth-hammer!’
This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier sees a certain ascetic or brahmin being honored, respected, esteemed, and venerated among good families.
They think,
‘This one, who lives in abundance, is honored, respected, esteemed, and venerated among good families.
But I, a self-mortifier who lives rough, am not honored, respected, esteemed, and venerated among good families.’ Thus they give rise to jealousy and stinginess regarding families.
This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier sits meditation only when people can see them.
This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier sneaks about among families, thinking,
‘This is part of my mortification; this is part of my mortification.’
This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier sometimes behaves in an underhand manner.
When asked whether something agrees with them, they say it does, even though it doesn’t.
Or they say it doesn’t, even though it does.
Thus they tell a deliberate lie.
This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier disagrees with the way that the Realized One or their disciple teaches Dhamma, even when they make a valid point.
This too is a defect in that mortifier.
Furthermore, a mortifier is irritable and hostile …


offensive and contemptuous …
jealous and stingy …
devious and deceitful …
obstinate and vain …
they have wicked desires, falling under the sway of wicked desires …
they have wrong view, being attached to an extremist view …
they’re attached to their own views, holding them tight, and refusing to let go.

This too is a defect in that mortifier.
What do you think, Nigrodha?
Are such mortifications defective or not?”
“Clearly, sir, they’re defective.
It’s possible that a mortifier might have all of these defects,
let alone one or other of them.”
2.2. On Reaching the Shoots
“Firstly, Nigrodha, a mortifier undertakes a practice of mortification. But they’re not happy with that, as they still haven’t got all they wished for.

So they’re pure on that point.
Furthermore, a mortifier undertakes a practice of mortification. They don’t glorify themselves or put others down on account of that.
So they’re pure on that point.
They don’t become indulgent …

Furthermore, a mortifier undertakes a practice of mortification. They generate possessions, honor, and popularity through that mortification. They’re not happy with that, as they still haven’t got all they wished for …

They don’t glorify themselves and put others down on account of possessions, honor, and popularity …

They don’t become indulgent because of it …
So they’re pure on that point.
Furthermore, a mortifier doesn’t become fussy about food, saying,
‘This agrees with me, this doesn’t agree with me.’
What doesn’t agree with them they readily give up.
But what does agree with them they eat without being tied, infatuated, attached, seeing the drawbacks, and understanding the escape.
So they’re pure on that point.
Furthermore, a mortifier doesn’t undertake a practice of mortification out of longing for possessions, honor, and popularity …
‘Kings, royal ministers, aristocrats, brahmins, householders, and sectarians will honor me!’
So they’re pure on that point.
Furthermore, a mortifier doesn’t rebuke a certain ascetic or brahmin,
‘But what is this one doing, living in abundance! According to this ascetic’s doctrine, everything—
plants propagated from roots, stems, cuttings, or joints; and those from regular seeds as the fifth—is crunched together like the thunder of a tooth-hammer!’
So they’re pure on that point.
Furthermore, a mortifier sees a certain ascetic or brahmin being honored, respected, esteemed, and venerated among good families.
It never occurs to them,
‘This one, who lives in abundance, is honored, respected, esteemed, and venerated among good families.
But I, a self-mortifier who lives rough, am not honored, respected, esteemed, and venerated among good families.’ Thus they don’t give rise to jealousy and stinginess regarding families.
So they’re pure on that point.
Furthermore, a mortifier doesn’t sit meditation only when people can see them.
So they’re pure on that point.
Furthermore, a mortifier doesn’t sneak about among families, thinking,
‘This is part of my mortification; this is part of my mortification.’
So they’re pure on that point.
Furthermore, a mortifier never behaves in an underhand manner.
When asked whether something agrees with them, they say it doesn’t when it doesn’t.

Or they say it does when it does.

Thus they don’t tell a deliberate lie.
So they’re pure on that point.
Furthermore, a mortifier agrees with the way that the Realized One or their disciple teaches Dhamma when they make a valid point.
So they’re pure on that point.
Furthermore, a mortifier is not irritable and hostile …

offensive and contemptuous …
jealous and stingy …
devious and deceitful …
obstinate and vain …
they don’t have wicked desires …
and wrong view …
they’re not attached to their own views, holding them tight, and refusing to let go.

So they’re pure on that point.
What do you think, Nigrodha?
If this is so, is the mortification in disgust of sin purified or not?”
“Clearly, sir, it is purified. It has reached the peak and the pith.”
“No, Nigrodha, at this point the mortification in disgust of sin has not yet reached the peak and the pith.
Rather, it has only reached the shoots.”
2.3. On Reaching the Bark
“But at what point, sir, does the mortification in disgust of sin reach the peak and the pith?
Please help me reach the peak and the pith!”
“Nigrodha, take a mortifier who is restrained in the fourfold restraint.
And how is a mortifier restrained in the fourfold restraint?
It’s when a mortifier doesn’t kill living creatures, doesn’t get others to kill, and doesn’t approve of killing.
They don’t steal, get others to steal, or approve of stealing.
They don’t lie, get others to lie, or approve of lying.
They don’t expect rewards from their practice, they don’t lead others to expect rewards, and they don’t approve of expecting rewards.
That’s how a mortifier is restrained in the fourfold restraint.
When a mortifier has the fourfold restraint, that is their mortification.
They step forward, not falling back.
They frequent a secluded lodging—a wilderness, the root of a tree, a hill, a ravine, a mountain cave, a charnel ground, a forest, the open air, a heap of straw.
After the meal, they return from almsround, sit down cross-legged with their body straight, and establish mindfulness right there.
Giving up desire for the world, they meditate with a heart rid of desire, cleansing the mind of desire.
Giving up ill will and malevolence, they meditate with a mind rid of ill will, full of compassion for all living beings, cleansing the mind of ill will.
Giving up dullness and drowsiness, they meditate with a mind rid of dullness and drowsiness, perceiving light, mindful and aware, cleansing the mind of dullness and drowsiness.
Giving up restlessness and remorse, they meditate without restlessness, their mind peaceful inside, cleansing the mind of restlessness and remorse.
Giving up doubt, they meditate having gone beyond doubt, not undecided about skillful qualities, cleansing the mind of doubt.
They give up these five hindrances, corruptions of the heart that weaken wisdom.
Then they meditate spreading a heart full of love to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of love to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.
They meditate spreading a heart full of compassion …
They meditate spreading a heart full of rejoicing …
They meditate spreading a heart full of equanimity to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of equanimity to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.
What do you think, Nigrodha?
If this is so, is the mortification in disgust of sin purified or not?”
“Clearly, sir, it is purified. It has reached the peak and the pith.”
“No, Nigrodha, at this point the mortification in disgust of sin has not yet reached the peak and the pith.
Rather, it has only reached the bark.”
2.4. On Reaching the Softwood
“But at what point, sir, does the mortification in disgust of sin reach the peak and the pith?
Please help me reach the peak and the pith!”
“Nigrodha, take a mortifier who is restrained in the fourfold restraint.




They give up these five hindrances, corruptions of the heart that weaken wisdom.
Then they meditate spreading a heart full of love …
compassion …
rejoicing …
equanimity.
They recollect many kinds of past lives, that is, one, two, three, four, five, ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, a hundred, a thousand, a hundred thousand rebirths; many eons of the world contracting, many eons of the world expanding, many eons of the world contracting and expanding. They remember: ‘There, I was named this, my clan was that, I looked like this, and that was my food. This was how I felt pleasure and pain, and that was how my life ended. When I passed away from that place I was reborn somewhere else. There, too, I was named this, my clan was that, I looked like this, and that was my food. This was how I felt pleasure and pain, and that was how my life ended. When I passed away from that place I was reborn here.’ And so they recollect their many kinds of past lives, with features and details.
What do you think, Nigrodha?
If this is so, is the mortification in disgust of sin purified or not?”
“Clearly, sir, it is purified. It has reached the peak and the pith.”
“No, Nigrodha, at this point the mortification in disgust of sin has not yet reached the peak and the pith.
Rather, it has only reached the softwood.”
3. On Reaching the Heartwood
“But at what point, sir, does the mortification in disgust of sin reach the peak and the pith?
Please help me reach the peak and the pith!”
“Nigrodha, take a mortifier who is restrained in the fourfold restraint.


They give up these five hindrances, corruptions of the heart that weaken wisdom.
Then they meditate spreading a heart full of love …
equanimity …
They recollect many kinds of past lives, with features and details.
With clairvoyance that is purified and superhuman, they see sentient beings passing away and being reborn—inferior and superior, beautiful and ugly, in a good place or a bad place. They understand how sentient beings are reborn according to their deeds: ‘These dear beings did bad things by way of body, speech, and mind. They spoke ill of the noble ones; they had wrong view; and they chose to act out of that wrong view. When their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell. These dear beings, however, did good things by way of body, speech, and mind. They never spoke ill of the noble ones; they had right view; and they chose to act out of that right view. When their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm.’ And so, with clairvoyance that is purified and superhuman, they see sentient beings passing away and being reborn—inferior and superior, beautiful and ugly, in a good place or a bad place. They understand how sentient beings are reborn according to their deeds.
What do you think, Nigrodha?
If this is so, is the mortification in disgust of sin purified or not?”
“Clearly, sir, it is purified. It has reached the peak and the pith.”
“Nigrodha, at this point the mortification in disgust of sin has reached the peak and the pith.
Nigrodha, remember you said this to me:
‘Sir, what teaching do you use to guide your disciples, through which they claim solace in the fundamental purpose of the spiritual life?’
Well, there is something better and finer than this. That’s what I use to guide my disciples, through which they claim solace in the fundamental purpose of the spiritual life.”
When he said this, those wanderers made an uproar,
“In that case, we’re lost, and so is our tradition! We don’t know anything better or finer than that!”
4. Nigrodha Feels Depressed
Then the householder Sandhāna realized,
“Obviously, now these wanderers want to listen to what the Buddha says. They’re paying attention and applying their minds to understand!”
So he said to the wanderer Nigrodha,
“Nigrodha, remember you said this to me:
‘Surely, householder, you should know better! With whom does the ascetic Gotama converse? With whom does he engage in discussion? With whom does he achieve lucidity of wisdom?
Staying in empty huts has destroyed the ascetic Gotama’s wisdom. Not frequenting assemblies, he is unable to hold a discussion. He just lurks on the periphery.
He’s just like the nilgai antelope, circling around and lurking on the periphery.

Please, householder, let the ascetic Gotama come to this assembly. I’ll sink him with just one question! I’ll roll him over and wrap him up like a hollow pot!’
Now the Blessed One, perfected and fully awakened, has arrived here. Why don’t you send him out of the assembly to the periphery like a nilgai antelope? Why don’t you sink him with just one question? Why don’t you roll him over and wrap him up like a hollow pot?”
When he said this, Nigrodha sat silent, embarrassed, shoulders drooping, downcast, depressed, with nothing to say.
Knowing this, the Buddha said to him,
“Is it really true, Nigrodha—are those your words?”
“It’s true, sir, those are my words. It was foolish, stupid, and unskillful of me.”
“What do you think, Nigrodha?
Have you heard that wanderers of the past who were elderly and senior, the teachers of teachers, said that
when the perfected ones, the fully awakened Buddhas of the past came together, they made an uproar, a dreadful racket as they sat and talked about all kinds of unworthy topics,

like you do in your tradition these days?
Or did they say that the Buddhas frequented remote lodgings in the wilderness and the forest that are quiet and still, far from the madding crowd, remote from human settlements, and fit for retreat, like I do these days?”
“I have heard that wanderers of the past who were elderly and senior, said that
when the perfected ones, the fully awakened Buddhas of the past came together, they didn’t make an uproar,

like I do in my tradition these days.
They said that the Buddhas of the past frequented remote lodgings in the wilderness, like the Buddha does these days.”
“Nigrodha, you are a sensible and mature man. Did it not occur to you:
‘The Blessed One is awakened, tamed, serene, crossed over, and extinguished. And he teaches Dhamma for awakening, taming, serenity, crossing over, and extinguishment’?”
5. The Culmination of the Spiritual Path
Nigrodha said,
“I have made a mistake, sir. It was foolish, stupid, and unskillful of me to speak in that way.
Please, sir, accept my mistake for what it is, so I will restrain myself in future.”
“Indeed, Nigrodha, you made a mistake. It was foolish, stupid, and unskillful of you to speak in that way.
But since you have recognized your mistake for what it is, and have dealt with it properly, I accept it.
For it is growth in the training of the Noble One to recognize a mistake for what it is, deal with it properly, and commit to restraint in the future.
Nigrodha, this is what I say:
Let a sensible person come—neither devious nor deceitful, a person of integrity. I teach and instruct them.
By practicing as instructed they will realize the supreme end of the spiritual path in this very life, in seven years. They will live having achieved with their own insight the goal for which gentlemen rightly go forth from the lay life to homelessness.
Let alone seven years.
Let a sensible person come—neither devious nor deceitful, a person of integrity. I teach and instruct them.
By practicing as instructed they will realize the supreme end of the spiritual path in this very life, in six years …
five years …
four years …
three years …
two years …
one year …


seven months …

six months …
five months …
four months …
three months …
two months …
one month …
a fortnight.
Let alone a fortnight.
Let a sensible person come—neither devious nor deceitful, a person of integrity. I teach and instruct them.
By practicing as instructed they will realize the supreme end of the spiritual path in this very life, in seven days.
6. The Wanderers Feel Depressed
Nigrodha, you might think,
‘The ascetic Gotama speaks like this because he wants pupils.’
But you should not see it like this.
Let your teacher remain your teacher.
You might think,
‘The ascetic Gotama speaks like this because he wants us to give up our recitation.’
But you should not see it like this.
Let your recitation remain as it is.
You might think,
‘The ascetic Gotama speaks like this because he wants us to give up our livelihood.’
But you should not see it like this.
Let your livelihood remain as it is.
You might think,
‘The ascetic Gotama speaks like this because he wants us to start doing things that are unskillful and considered unskillful in our tradition.’
But you should not see it like this.
Let those things that are unskillful and considered unskillful in your tradition remain as they are.
You might think,
‘The ascetic Gotama speaks like this because he wants us to stop doing things that are skillful and considered skillful in our tradition.’
But you should not see it like this.
Let those things that are skillful and considered skillful in your tradition remain as they are.
I do not speak for any of these reasons.
Nigrodha, there are things that are unskillful, corrupting, leading to future lives, hurtful, resulting in suffering and future rebirth, old age, and death. I teach Dhamma so that those things may be given up.
When you practice accordingly, corrupting qualities will be given up in you and cleansing qualities will grow. You’ll enter and remain in the fullness and abundance of wisdom, having realized it with your own insight in this very life.”
When this was said, those wanderers sat silent, dismayed, shoulders drooping, downcast, depressed, with nothing to say, as if their minds were possessed by Māra.
Then the Buddha thought,
“All these foolish people have been touched by the Wicked One!
For not even a single one thinks,
‘Come, let us lead the spiritual life under the ascetic Gotama for the sake of enlightenment—for what do seven days matter?’”
Then the Buddha, having roared his lion’s roar in the lady Udumbarikā’s monastery for wanderers, rose into the air and landed on Vulture’s Peak.
Meanwhile, the householder Sandhāna just went back to Rājagaha.