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sn.22.60 Saṁyutta Nikāya (Linked Discourses)

Mahali

Thus have I heard. On one occasion the Blessed One was dwelling at Vesali in the Great Wood in the Hall with the Peaked Roof. Then Mahali the Licchavi approached the Blessed One … and said to him:

“Venerable sir, Pūraṇa Kassapa speaks thus: ‘There is no cause or condition for the defilement of beings; beings are defiled without cause or condition. There is no cause or condition for the purification of beings; beings are purified without cause or condition. ’ What does the Blessed One say about this?”

“There is, Mahali, a cause and condition for the defilement of beings; beings are defiled with cause and condition. There is a cause and condition for the purification of beings; beings are purified with cause and condition.”

“But, venerable sir, what is the cause and condition for the defilement of beings? How is it that beings are defiled with cause and condition?”

“If, Mahali, this form were exclusively suffering, immersed in suffering, steeped in suffering, and if it were not also steeped in pleasure, beings would not become enamoured with it. But because form is pleasurable, immersed in pleasure, steeped in pleasure, and is not steeped only in suffering, beings become enamoured with it. By being enamoured with it, they are captivated by it, and by being captivated by it they are defiled. This, Mahali, is a cause and condition for the defilement of beings; it is thus that beings are defiled with cause and condition.

“If, Mahali, this feeling were exclusively suffering … If this perception … these volitional formations … … this consciousness were exclusively suffering … beings would not become enamoured with it. But because consciousness is pleasurable … beings become enamoured with it. By being enamoured with it, they are captivated by it, and by being captivated by it they are defiled. This too, Mahali, is a cause and condition for the defilement of beings; it is thus that beings are defiled with cause and condition.”

“But, venerable sir, what is the cause and condition for the purification of beings? How is it that beings are purified with cause and condition?”

“If, Mahali, this form were exclusively pleasurable, immersed in pleasure, steeped in pleasure, and if it were not also steeped in suffering, beings would not experience revulsion towards it. But because form is suffering, immersed in suffering, steeped in suffering, and is not steeped only in pleasure, beings experience revulsion towards it. Experiencing revulsion, they become dispassionate, and through dispassion they are purified. This, Mahali, is a cause and condition for the purification of beings; it is thus that beings are purified with cause and condition.

“If, Mahali, this feeling were exclusively pleasurable … If this perception … these volitional formations … this consciousness were exclusively pleasurable … beings would not experience revulsion towards it. But because consciousness is suffering … beings experience revulsion towards it. Experiencing revulsion, they become dispassionate, and through dispassion they are purified. This too, Mahali, is a cause and condition for the purification of beings; it is thus that beings are purified with cause and condition.”

- Translator: Bhikkhu Bodhi

- Editor: Blake Walsh


With Mahāli

So I have heard.
At one time the Buddha was staying near Vesālī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof.
Then Mahāli the Licchavi went up to the Buddha … and said to him:
“Sir, Pūraṇa Kassapa says this:
‘There is no cause or reason for the corruption of sentient beings.
Sentient beings are corrupted without cause or reason.
There’s no cause or reason for the purification of sentient beings.
Sentient beings are purified without cause or reason.’
What does the Buddha say about this?”
“Mahāli, there is a cause and reason for the corruption of sentient beings.
Sentient beings are corrupted with cause and reason.
There is a cause and reason for the purification of sentient beings.
Sentient beings are purified with cause and reason.”
“But sir, what is the cause and reason for the corruption of sentient beings?
How are sentient beings corrupted with cause and reason?”
“Mahāli, if form were exclusively painful—soaked and steeped in pain and not steeped in pleasure—sentient beings wouldn’t be aroused by it.
But because form is pleasurable—soaked and steeped in pleasure and not steeped in pain—sentient beings are aroused by it.
Since they are aroused by it, they’re caught up in it, and so they become corrupted.
This is a cause and reason for the corruption of sentient beings.
This is how sentient beings are corrupted with cause and reason.
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consciousness were exclusively painful—soaked and steeped in pain and not steeped in pleasure—sentient beings wouldn’t be aroused by it.
But because consciousness is pleasurable—soaked and steeped in pleasure and not steeped in pain—sentient beings are aroused by it.
Since they are aroused by it, they’re caught up in it, and so they become corrupted.
This is a cause and reason for the corruption of sentient beings.
This is how sentient beings are corrupted with cause and reason.”
“But sir, what is the cause and reason for the purification of sentient beings?
How are sentient beings purified with cause and reason?”
“Mahāli, if form were exclusively pleasurable—soaked and steeped in pleasure and not steeped in pain—sentient beings wouldn’t grow disillusioned with it.
But because form is painful—soaked and steeped in pain and not steeped in pleasure—sentient beings do grow disillusioned with it.
Being disillusioned, desire fades away. When desire fades away they are purified.
This is a cause and reason for the purification of sentient beings.
This is how sentient beings are purified with cause and reason.
If feeling …
perception …
choices …
consciousness were exclusively pleasurable—soaked and steeped in pleasure and not steeped in pain—sentient beings wouldn’t grow disillusioned with it.
But because consciousness is painful—soaked and steeped in pain and not steeped in pleasure—sentient beings do grow disillusioned with it.
Being disillusioned, desire fades away. When desire fades away they are purified.
This is a cause and reason for the purification of sentient beings.
This is how sentient beings are purified with cause and reason.”